What can GKPF do in order to become a larger and stronger network in the service of its members?

Here is my first question to you in order to support the discussion:

What can GKPF do in order to become a larger and stronger network in the service of its members?

Looking forward to your contributions and ideas

Klaus

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Dear Klaus, Alain including the board-members of GKPF,

please do allow me some suggestions, because I belive that we are at all stages of economy (from up to the bottom) supposed to change our former "inherited terms and condition". Looking to the real needs at the basis (where I am) I suppose to understand the need of changes at the top similarily.

1. the six points of Klaus seem to me exactly the basis for renewed "terms and conditions of GKPF business".
(We here applied immediately the points in collaborating amoung us. Fruitfull discussion started turning around the win/win context. Thanks to Klaus we put in front: "what do I (personally) need" and "what does my project partner (personally) needs".

2. I suggest, that GKPF should officially ask the "Bundesministerium für Verkehr, Bau- und Stadtentwicklung" for their experiences with their new approach toward "Region schafft Zukunft" (region creates future) to transfer their knowhow and knowhow. It comes completely close to that what Klaus and others around him are both looking resp. searching for.
http://www.region-schafft-zukunft.de/cln_032/nn_252844/DE/Modellvor... I advice the contact with Gudrun Schwarz. I have once exchanged ideas and positions with her, so I strongly feel we are all going in the right direction because the patterns are equal.

3. I suggest GKPF not only to go (i.e. via homepage) directly to the bottom (village level). But to use instead the experiences of the German Modellvorhaben "Region schafft Zukunft" how the Ministry brought money and impulses down to the village level. GKPF could concern about the unprecedented "turning energy" on the village level here in Germany, bringing up 25 innovative project induced by the Govt. approach. I know a lot about it and find it very useful for GKPF to know about.

That means to use an intermedidate level partnership!
_________________

Intermediate level partnership
That is to say GKPF needs "intermediate level partners". The "village innovation talk" creates such an apt "intermediate level partnership". The German Ministry of Transport ... gave orders to an intermediate level partner (here on the county basis the "Verein für Regionalentwicklung") for the ideation of 25 new projects and included as well the University of Neubrandenburg and other partner (multisectoral approach!!!!).

I also see that me and other like me (individuals from the privat sector) could belong more than ever before to this intermediate level, getting orders to incubate innovative projects. (I have several sound project-approaches that could be incubated on the village level – i.e. concening innovative modells of "village cinema approach" Dorfkino,  "public databases collection based on real local business datas").

Innovations need incubation processes
Innovations need the incubation process. The incubator of projects is putting forward "grounded project-ideas". That means  selling the idea (make the idea strong) within the mulitsectoral field. Incubation means later off finding a project management and ending up with the privat sector partnership (finding someone to run the business(es)) itself. Starting with a project endingup with a selfstanding business!

Examples for the past
Let's take the expample of the Dorfladen (grocery store in Datterode). The incubator of the "Dorfladen" of Datterode (also situated in our County) was the Mayor (Mr Fissmann) of the Community of Ringgau, bringing togehter all sectoral partners.
The project management became an exsiting association dealing with mentally disabled (Aufwind).
Today the project is settled, and became an ordinary business and the firm "Stellwerk GmbH" was separatly founded. At the beginning there was no idea founding a firm at all!

Look up under this link: http://www.region-schafft-zukunft.de/nn_490362/DE/ProjekteWerraMeis... under Projektpartner.

The setting up of an innovative project is therefore multiplex and needs incubation time, processes and strategies.

Forthcoming projects: example of Gertenbach (in rural Germany)
Now being the incubator of a forthcoming project in Gertenbach, what is the situation about? The detailed project proposal (from my office) took the attraction of the villagers itselves, of the Mayor, of the involved EU consultant, the County Department etc. Jet no one is legaly in the position to renumerate time investments of me and others as there is until now no official order in the room.

We are all investing to make the idea to become a modell for the transition of a devasted village centers within an international approach (EU and others) and within an multisectoral approach and within a multifuctional approach (small scall manufacturing, multiple services, shopping etc). I see GKPF in an important and interesting position to steer the project process.

Thank you for your kind attention!

Dear Uli

Wow, that is a lot to think about! All I can say is that there are a lot of opportunities and we just have to have the guts to follow up on them. What will be the next concrete steps we should take.

I also want to add in this context that yesterday I have received a very very interesting Document from Franz, Dagmar and John about the next steps in the Village Innovation talks. I will attach this document here and I think it also merits a deep discussion. Just one point again, we have all the ideas and opportunities, we need to go now to laying out and following up on concrete actions.

Ulrich Burkhard said:

Dear Klaus, Alain including the board-members of GKPF,

please do allow me some suggestions, because I belive that we are at all stages of economy (from up to the bottom) supposed to change our former "inherited terms and condition". Looking to the real needs at the basis (where I am) I suppose to understand the need of changes at the top similarily.

1. the six points of Klaus seem to me exactly the basis for renewed "terms and conditions of GKPF business".
(We here applied immediately the points in collaborating amoung us. Fruitfull discussion started turning around the win/win context. Thanks to Klaus we put in front: "what do I (personally) need" and "what does my project partner (personally) needs".

2. I suggest, that GKPF should officially ask the "Bundesministerium für Verkehr, Bau- und Stadtentwicklung" for their experiences with their new approach toward "Region schafft Zukunft" (region creates future) to transfer their knowhow and knowhow. It comes completely close to that what Klaus and others around him are both looking resp. searching for.
http://www.region-schafft-zukunft.de/cln_032/nn_252844/DE/Modellvor... I advice the contact with Gudrun Schwarz. I have once exchanged ideas and positions with her, so I strongly feel we are all going in the right direction because the patterns are equal.

3. I suggest GKPF not only to go (i.e. via homepage) directly to the bottom (village level). But to use instead the experiences of the German Modellvorhaben "Region schafft Zukunft" how the Ministry brought money and impulses down to the village level. GKPF could concern about the unprecedented "turning energy" on the village level here in Germany, bringing up 25 innovative project induced by the Govt. approach. I know a lot about it and find it very useful for GKPF to know about.

That means to use an intermedidate level partnership!
_________________

Intermediate level partnership
That is to say GKPF needs "intermediate level partners". The "village innovation talk" creates such an apt "intermediate level partnership". The German Ministry of Transport ... gave orders to an intermediate level partner (here on the county basis the "Verein für Regionalentwicklung") for the ideation of 25 new projects and included as well the University of Neubrandenburg and other partner (multisectoral approach!!!!).

I also see that me and other like me (individuals from the privat sector) could belong more than ever before to this intermediate level, getting orders to incubate innovative projects. (I have several sound project-approaches that could be incubated on the village level – i.e. concening innovative modells of "village cinema approach" Dorfkino,  "public databases collection based on real local business datas").

Innovations need incubation processes
Innovations need the incubation process. The incubator of projects is putting forward "grounded project-ideas". That means  selling the idea (make the idea strong) within the mulitsectoral field. Incubation means later off finding a project management and ending up with the privat sector partnership (finding someone to run the business(es)) itself. Starting with a project endingup with a selfstanding business!

Examples for the past
Let's take the expample of the Dorfladen (grocery store in Datterode). The incubator of the "Dorfladen" of Datterode (also situated in our County) was the Mayor (Mr Fissmann) of the Community of Ringgau, bringing togehter all sectoral partners.
The project management became an exsiting association dealing with mentally disabled (Aufwind).
Today the project is settled, and became an ordinary business and the firm "Stellwerk GmbH" was separatly founded. At the beginning there was no idea founding a firm at all!

Look up under this link: http://www.region-schafft-zukunft.de/nn_490362/DE/ProjekteWerraMeis... under Projektpartner.

The setting up of an innovative project is therefore multiplex and needs incubation time, processes and strategies.

Forthcoming projects: example of Gertenbach (in rural Germany)
Now being the incubator of a forthcoming project in Gertenbach, what is the situation about? The detailed project proposal (from my office) took the attraction of the villagers itselves, of the Mayor, of the involved EU consultant, the County Department etc. Jet no one is legaly in the position to renumerate time investments of me and others as there is until now no official order in the room.

We are all investing to make the idea to become a modell for the transition of a devasted village centers within an international approach (EU and others) and within an multisectoral approach and within a multifuctional approach (small scall manufacturing, multiple services, shopping etc). I see GKPF in an important and interesting position to steer the project process.

Thank you for your kind attention!

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Dear Kubwimana,

All of us at GKP Foundation support youth and I love your story!.. tradition of elders in Africa is remarkable but it does not mean that youth must wait to become elders to achieve! YOU JUST DID IT... YOU WERE THE CHANGE!... Please continue using all internet networks including GKP Network...  We have GKP members in Germany sharing with GKP members in Kenya and vice versa... that is a good thing!


kubwimana Venuste said:

Dear Alain, i'm 26 years, what i want is to be empowered financially and materialistically( which can be done through various ways such as promotions...)  to be able to implement my owned strategies to resolve my counterparts issues. because young people we strongly believe in our ideas and we can do anything for our plans to be done but mostly we do not have support of materials. I can give an example when i arrived in Kenya; through my foundation we were to host our first college and university students debates and we sent our paper work to Director of Higher education  when he saw our proposal he was moved then he arranged a meeting with us. the problem back then i was 24 and my partner was 23, when he saw us he was surprised he could not believe it and he said you are too young to implement such project.

But the truth is we did it and the program is running.

Dear Alain YOUTH need TRUST in their idea. if we can conceive ideas we are also able to implement them. Just back us up!   

Dear Ulrich, dear Klaus:

Thanks for these contributions... Yes, I see that GKPF can diffuse these methodologies to other global village communities and then share/exchange between communities, as opposed to between villages (not excluded of course and great if it happens). But the Community to Community means a certain regional capacity exists. I can think of a number of regions where GKPF is involved... but let them come forward... if not fast enough, we can do a little prompting. I like the model of local fundraising for these Village Innovation Talks... Interesting though and not surprising of course that the movement  in Germay needed some central public funding to kick start... Will other governments be that open to decentralization processes and signing cheques to make it happen? I think so...this is happening in South America right now (Ecuador for instance!).

This raises the idea of GKP national chapters... I think they would be useful because they would be culturally synched and facilitate the regional processes of knowledge generation but tuned into global networks like GKP to facilitate scaling-up, dissemination and replication/adaptation....

Probably dreaming!!!!

Best, Alain

 
Klaus Stoll said:

Dear Uli

Wow, that is a lot to think about! All I can say is that there are a lot of opportunities and we just have to have the guts to follow up on them. What will be the next concrete steps we should take.

I also want to add in this context that yesterday I have received a very very interesting Document from Franz, Dagmar and John about the next steps in the Village Innovation talks. I will attach this document here and I think it also merits a deep discussion. Just one point again, we have all the ideas and opportunities, we need to go now to laying out and following up on concrete actions.

Ulrich Burkhard said:

Dear Klaus, Alain including the board-members of GKPF,

please do allow me some suggestions, because I belive that we are at all stages of economy (from up to the bottom) supposed to change our former "inherited terms and condition". Looking to the real needs at the basis (where I am) I suppose to understand the need of changes at the top similarily.

1. the six points of Klaus seem to me exactly the basis for renewed "terms and conditions of GKPF business".
(We here applied immediately the points in collaborating amoung us. Fruitfull discussion started turning around the win/win context. Thanks to Klaus we put in front: "what do I (personally) need" and "what does my project partner (personally) needs".

2. I suggest, that GKPF should officially ask the "Bundesministerium für Verkehr, Bau- und Stadtentwicklung" for their experiences with their new approach toward "Region schafft Zukunft" (region creates future) to transfer their knowhow and knowhow. It comes completely close to that what Klaus and others around him are both looking resp. searching for.
http://www.region-schafft-zukunft.de/cln_032/nn_252844/DE/Modellvor... I advice the contact with Gudrun Schwarz. I have once exchanged ideas and positions with her, so I strongly feel we are all going in the right direction because the patterns are equal.

3. I suggest GKPF not only to go (i.e. via homepage) directly to the bottom (village level). But to use instead the experiences of the German Modellvorhaben "Region schafft Zukunft" how the Ministry brought money and impulses down to the village level. GKPF could concern about the unprecedented "turning energy" on the village level here in Germany, bringing up 25 innovative project induced by the Govt. approach. I know a lot about it and find it very useful for GKPF to know about.

That means to use an intermedidate level partnership!
_________________

Intermediate level partnership
That is to say GKPF needs "intermediate level partners". The "village innovation talk" creates such an apt "intermediate level partnership". The German Ministry of Transport ... gave orders to an intermediate level partner (here on the county basis the "Verein für Regionalentwicklung") for the ideation of 25 new projects and included as well the University of Neubrandenburg and other partner (multisectoral approach!!!!).

I also see that me and other like me (individuals from the privat sector) could belong more than ever before to this intermediate level, getting orders to incubate innovative projects. (I have several sound project-approaches that could be incubated on the village level – i.e. concening innovative modells of "village cinema approach" Dorfkino,  "public databases collection based on real local business datas").

Innovations need incubation processes
Innovations need the incubation process. The incubator of projects is putting forward "grounded project-ideas". That means  selling the idea (make the idea strong) within the mulitsectoral field. Incubation means later off finding a project management and ending up with the privat sector partnership (finding someone to run the business(es)) itself. Starting with a project endingup with a selfstanding business!

Examples for the past
Let's take the expample of the Dorfladen (grocery store in Datterode). The incubator of the "Dorfladen" of Datterode (also situated in our County) was the Mayor (Mr Fissmann) of the Community of Ringgau, bringing togehter all sectoral partners.
The project management became an exsiting association dealing with mentally disabled (Aufwind).
Today the project is settled, and became an ordinary business and the firm "Stellwerk GmbH" was separatly founded. At the beginning there was no idea founding a firm at all!

Look up under this link: http://www.region-schafft-zukunft.de/nn_490362/DE/ProjekteWerraMeis... under Projektpartner.

The setting up of an innovative project is therefore multiplex and needs incubation time, processes and strategies.

Forthcoming projects: example of Gertenbach (in rural Germany)
Now being the incubator of a forthcoming project in Gertenbach, what is the situation about? The detailed project proposal (from my office) took the attraction of the villagers itselves, of the Mayor, of the involved EU consultant, the County Department etc. Jet no one is legaly in the position to renumerate time investments of me and others as there is until now no official order in the room.

We are all investing to make the idea to become a modell for the transition of a devasted village centers within an international approach (EU and others) and within an multisectoral approach and within a multifuctional approach (small scall manufacturing, multiple services, shopping etc). I see GKPF in an important and interesting position to steer the project process.

Thank you for your kind attention!

Forgot to add that this project document is very practical... I find it relevant from local, national and international perspectives and shows that the methodology could be used/adapted to other regions/contexts. Kudos to the authors Franz Nahrada, John Bloomfield and Dagmar Eisenbach.

Klaus Stoll said:

Dear Uli

Wow, that is a lot to think about! All I can say is that there are a lot of opportunities and we just have to have the guts to follow up on them. What will be the next concrete steps we should take.

I also want to add in this context that yesterday I have received a very very interesting Document from Franz, Dagmar and John about the next steps in the Village Innovation talks. I will attach this document here and I think it also merits a deep discussion. Just one point again, we have all the ideas and opportunities, we need to go now to laying out and following up on concrete actions.

Ulrich Burkhard said:

Dear Klaus, Alain including the board-members of GKPF,

please do allow me some suggestions, because I belive that we are at all stages of economy (from up to the bottom) supposed to change our former "inherited terms and condition". Looking to the real needs at the basis (where I am) I suppose to understand the need of changes at the top similarily.

1. the six points of Klaus seem to me exactly the basis for renewed "terms and conditions of GKPF business".
(We here applied immediately the points in collaborating amoung us. Fruitfull discussion started turning around the win/win context. Thanks to Klaus we put in front: "what do I (personally) need" and "what does my project partner (personally) needs".

2. I suggest, that GKPF should officially ask the "Bundesministerium für Verkehr, Bau- und Stadtentwicklung" for their experiences with their new approach toward "Region schafft Zukunft" (region creates future) to transfer their knowhow and knowhow. It comes completely close to that what Klaus and others around him are both looking resp. searching for.
http://www.region-schafft-zukunft.de/cln_032/nn_252844/DE/Modellvor... I advice the contact with Gudrun Schwarz. I have once exchanged ideas and positions with her, so I strongly feel we are all going in the right direction because the patterns are equal.

3. I suggest GKPF not only to go (i.e. via homepage) directly to the bottom (village level). But to use instead the experiences of the German Modellvorhaben "Region schafft Zukunft" how the Ministry brought money and impulses down to the village level. GKPF could concern about the unprecedented "turning energy" on the village level here in Germany, bringing up 25 innovative project induced by the Govt. approach. I know a lot about it and find it very useful for GKPF to know about.

That means to use an intermedidate level partnership!
_________________

Intermediate level partnership
That is to say GKPF needs "intermediate level partners". The "village innovation talk" creates such an apt "intermediate level partnership". The German Ministry of Transport ... gave orders to an intermediate level partner (here on the county basis the "Verein für Regionalentwicklung") for the ideation of 25 new projects and included as well the University of Neubrandenburg and other partner (multisectoral approach!!!!).

I also see that me and other like me (individuals from the privat sector) could belong more than ever before to this intermediate level, getting orders to incubate innovative projects. (I have several sound project-approaches that could be incubated on the village level – i.e. concening innovative modells of "village cinema approach" Dorfkino,  "public databases collection based on real local business datas").

Innovations need incubation processes
Innovations need the incubation process. The incubator of projects is putting forward "grounded project-ideas". That means  selling the idea (make the idea strong) within the mulitsectoral field. Incubation means later off finding a project management and ending up with the privat sector partnership (finding someone to run the business(es)) itself. Starting with a project endingup with a selfstanding business!

Examples for the past
Let's take the expample of the Dorfladen (grocery store in Datterode). The incubator of the "Dorfladen" of Datterode (also situated in our County) was the Mayor (Mr Fissmann) of the Community of Ringgau, bringing togehter all sectoral partners.
The project management became an exsiting association dealing with mentally disabled (Aufwind).
Today the project is settled, and became an ordinary business and the firm "Stellwerk GmbH" was separatly founded. At the beginning there was no idea founding a firm at all!

Look up under this link: http://www.region-schafft-zukunft.de/nn_490362/DE/ProjekteWerraMeis... under Projektpartner.

The setting up of an innovative project is therefore multiplex and needs incubation time, processes and strategies.

Forthcoming projects: example of Gertenbach (in rural Germany)
Now being the incubator of a forthcoming project in Gertenbach, what is the situation about? The detailed project proposal (from my office) took the attraction of the villagers itselves, of the Mayor, of the involved EU consultant, the County Department etc. Jet no one is legaly in the position to renumerate time investments of me and others as there is until now no official order in the room.

We are all investing to make the idea to become a modell for the transition of a devasted village centers within an international approach (EU and others) and within an multisectoral approach and within a multifuctional approach (small scall manufacturing, multiple services, shopping etc). I see GKPF in an important and interesting position to steer the project process.

Thank you for your kind attention!

Dear Alain,

i'm really thankful for meeting GKPF  because i always see and meet you people there you really understand that if there is no mindset transformation these African nations will never be somewhere different. They sing change all the times but i has never been in action. 

Right now in Kenya there tension of who will be elected in presidential elections, many people are murmuring that they need a transformed Kenya but its same song in every election and we keep seeing same situation that's why in our foundation's yearly YOUTH DEBATE we choose theme " Youth, are we ready for leadership positions?" we believe that through this debate youth will stand out for transformation of African tradition! 

because its really incomprehensible, why none trust in Youth ability, they just judge us with our age and smooth face! we will stand for us to be judged by our capacity!

Thank you all GKPF for encouraging and giving Youth to expose their unexploited mental capacity!

Dear Alain & GKPF 

This is our recent talk show On Family TV Kenya's crosstalk on our emphasis for YOUTH & LEADERSHIP. 

In case you missed live show ITF on crosstalk (youth & Leadership) on Family Tv.
You can directly watch all parts on below links 1-3.
http://familymedia.tv/shows/talkreality-shows/crosstalk/videos/vide...

http://familymedia.tv/shows/talkreality-shows/crosstalk/videos/vide...

http://familymedia.tv/shows/talkreality-shows/crosstalk/videos/vide...

Dear Kubwimana,

thank you for your links. I watched the filmes and was deeply impressed on what I saw. It was not merely the content of the crosstalk but the attitude of the Kenyian's people in the films: strong, bold, selfcontent, just wonderful!

I am really sure, we have a shift in leadership going on globally. And the youth is heading foreward, everywhere (don't listen  pessimistic voices). And that is very good. Real leadership occurs within the small own lines....

In contrast to you I belong to a western society and I am often questionning myself, what is going on here with us? When I was younger, about 35 years back, I worked internationally in countries, we called at that time "underdevelloped".

If you look today into Germany, in rural areas, in villages, in suburbs of cities, your are right to say as well "underdevelloped".

To bring about changes I have allow myself to follow a simple "hot spot" theory:
I invest my time and money only in peoples in locations, in villages, in places, that are open and ready for innovations, open for ideas from outside and where peoples are not naive to belive everything that is coming from outside. This I call myself "hot spot". Here people are critical, curious, have questions, want to learn form othes (places, regions, countries) etc.

Such "hot spots" I can find in Germany, Autria, Keniya, Nepal, Equador i.e. no matter where, and it does not matter for me!
And "hot spots" attrac money, it's just that easy! There is NO money left for donnations like in former times spreading over vast areas or a whole country. Money is available for projects with a clear perspective of business.

Supporting "hot spots" is the pattern change we need, I mean, because they radiate positive enery into other regions next by, giving examples and inviting others to follow!

Dear Ulrich,

Your "hot spot" analogy is very powerful!... the concept and methodology are replicable because universal!... also it is modern because relevant to current funding trends and paradigms... A.


Ulrich Burkhard said:

Dear Kubwimana,

thank you for your links. I watched the filmes and was deeply impressed on what I saw. It was not merely the content of the crosstalk but the attitude of the Kenyian's people in the films: strong, bold, selfcontent, just wonderful!

I am really sure, we have a shift in leadership going on globally. And the youth is heading foreward, everywhere (don't listen  pessimistic voices). And that is very good. Real leadership occurs within the small own lines....

In contrast to you I belong to a western society and I am often questionning myself, what is going on here with us? When I was younger, about 35 years back, I worked internationally in countries, we called at that time "underdevelloped".

If you look today into Germany, in rural areas, in villages, in suburbs of cities, your are right to say as well "underdevelloped".

To bring about changes I have allow myself to follow a simple "hot spot" theory:
I invest my time and money only in peoples in locations, in villages, in places, that are open and ready for innovations, open for ideas from outside and where peoples are not naive to belive everything that is coming from outside. This I call myself "hot spot". Here people are critical, curious, have questions, want to learn form othes (places, regions, countries) etc.

Such "hot spots" I can find in Germany, Autria, Keniya, Nepal, Equador i.e. no matter where, and it does not matter for me!
And "hot spots" attrac money, it's just that easy! There is NO money left for donnations like in former times spreading over vast areas or a whole country. Money is available for projects with a clear perspective of business.

Supporting "hot spots" is the pattern change we need, I mean, because they radiate positive enery into other regions next by, giving examples and inviting others to follow!

Hi Alain,
thank you for your understanding, that is so valuable.

We are facing difficult transition and need understanding over all boarders.

Concerning my "hot spot" analogy, that happend to me at the beginning, I had neither a word nor conciousness about that.

The very first time it was about 15 years back, I entered into a small town for the first time, to meet all business people. At the first door, a lady looked unfriedly at me, even unwilling to open the door, and mentionned "you won't have any change here in our town". I was more wondering then hurt: "why a single person could know the energy of the whole place"?

15 years later, the economy of that town is still extrodinary down. Many closed shops, few open minded inhabitants. Today I allow to say that is "for the moment" a "cold spot" and maybe in need of a "hot spot" place nearby to warm up a little bit ;-)

So one should better warm up (boost up) "hot spots" nearby. That became my conseption behind.

As I am social entrepreneur: from my inclination I would like to spread my power everywhere, but I had to learn NOT to invest in "cold spots" first. Today I feel the energy often very soon. Nice if that is helpful for others!



Alain Berranger said:

Dear Ulrich,

Your "hot spot" analogy is very powerful!... the concept and methodology are replicable because universal!... also it is modern because relevant to current funding trends and paradigms... A.

Dear Ulich....

Thank you for watching the videos and your compliment and creation of Hot spots....i can promise you, the commitment of young generation will make everything happen!!! i mean not being leaders of tomorrow but starting by today!!! why they always wants us to lead tomorrow! we want to start leading today!

Dear Kubwimana,

leadership is not that difficult as soon as we overlook circumstances of leading.

If we want to lead, we must be careful, be heartfelt, be ready to be misunderstood, we must NOT ask for permission, we must act, must lead only in field where we are comptent and cooperate with other leaders in other fields.

Thats my opinion!

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